ÿþ[11:19] <Adelle> <Luna_has_Wrath> <@Adelle> I don't know what MMO calls the servers "shards". <--- UO, the first one. <----- I... see. [11:19] <Puru_Seventeen> I just associate huge hammers, beards, axes, horned helmets and booze with dorfs. [11:20] <Puru_Seventeen> And bar brawls. [11:20] <Adelle> There's no Everquest 4e, so we have to use Everquest d20 :< [11:20] <Puru_Seventeen> There was also World of Warcraft d20. [11:21] <Puru_Seventeen> 2 editions, in fact [11:21] <Adelle> I think #zeal used them in their free-for-all gestalt games. [11:22] <Adelle> Of course, World of Warcraft d20 is just 3.5 and supposedly plays nothing like WoW at all, of course. [11:22] <Puru_Seventeen> 4e plays like WoW. [11:22] <Puru_Seventeen> haw haw [11:22] <Fayt> WoW plays like 4e. [11:23] <Shiki> I wouldn't know, I've never played WoW. [11:23] <Adelle> Me either. [11:23] * Kaiterra has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 740 seconds) [11:23] <Adelle> The people saying that 4e plays like WoW though, and hate WoW... [11:23] <Adelle> Well... :V [11:24] <Puru_Seventeen> ...They *do* have a point. [11:24] <Puru_Seventeen> I saw similaritie. [11:24] <Puru_Seventeen> *similarities. [11:24] <Fayt> There are quite a few similarities. [11:24] <Puru_Seventeen> Hell, the way we approach character building is not too different from how WoW players approach character building. [11:25] <Adelle> And how would you know, Spec? [11:25] <Fayt> And the way there's generally only one best way to go is also just like WoW. [11:25] <Puru_Seventeen> I've a friend who plays WoW. At the drinking party I was in, we compared WoW alongside 4e. [11:25] * Kaiterra has joined #miko [11:25] <Fayt> I've actually played WoW. [11:26] <Fayt> You people are incredibly similar. [11:26] <Adelle> >the way there's generally only one best way to go [11:26] * Fayt was kicked by Shiki (you people) [11:26] * Fayt has joined #miko [11:26] * Fayt was kicked by Adelle (Fayt) [11:26] * Fayt has joined #miko [11:26] <Fayt> You heard me. [11:26] <Puru_Seventeen> need wizard for orcus raid [11:26] <Fayt> You people are incredibly similar. [11:26] <Puru_Seventeen> need wizard for orcus raid [11:26] * Fayt was kicked by Shiki (Fuck you. You people somewhere else, you condensending fuckface.) [11:26] * Fayt has joined #miko [11:26] <Fayt> Aren't you rather condescending yourself? [11:27] * Regris has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:27] * Fayt was kicked by Shiki (I will not tolorate being called "You people" as if I were subhuman, you piece of shit.) [11:27] * Fayt has joined #miko [11:27] <Adelle> 6/10 [11:27] * Regris has joined #miko [11:27] <Fayt> Or being called you people as if you were... a group of people. [11:27] <Fayt> Imagine that. [11:27] * Fayt was kicked by Shiki (Yeah, that's what all the hillbillies say.) [11:27] * Fayt has joined #miko [11:28] <Fayt> ... [11:28] <Fayt> Are you not a people? [11:28] <Intresia> No [11:28] <Shiki> Now I suggest you reword yourself before I ban you, and this time I will not take it off after 5 minutes. [11:29] <Fayt> So you want me to reword myself when I've said nothing wrong, and you just have a stick up your ass for God knows what reason? [11:29] * Shiki sets mode: +b *!*@pool-96-228-29-13.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net [11:29] <Intresia> Well, I suppose it depends on definition [11:29] <Intresia> What IS your definition, anyway? [11:29] <Puru_Seventeen> ...Gao. [11:29] <Puru_Seventeen> He can't say anything while he's banned. [11:29] <Shiki> It means not seeing us as individuals, and instead lumping us together to dehumanize us. [11:29] <Shiki> It's a fairly common term used by those who discriminate. [11:30] <Shiki> Now. I will not tolerate that faggotry IRL, I will not tolerate it here, no matter what Ads, Murmur, or anyone else says. [11:31] <Intresia> Well, I'd rather hear from him what he was trying to say, but... if that's the case, then no, we are not "a people" [11:31] <Shiki> You will take back your words, you will find a better way to say it, and you will readjust your attitude, because I might listen to your stupid, but I will not be treated in such a manner. [11:31] <Shiki> Have I made myself clear? [11:31] * Shiki sets mode: -b *!*@pool-96-228-29-13.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net [11:32] <Fayt> No, you haven't. You're willfully misinterpretting what I'm saying because you've got a stick up your ass. [11:32] * Shiki sets mode: +b *!*@pool-96-228-29-13.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net [11:32] * Fayt was kicked by Shiki (Fayt) [11:33] <Puru_Seventeen> Okay, where was I. [11:33] <Puru_Seventeen> Oh... I had an interesting comparison between Puru (as an elven wizard) and my friend's wizard, who was a githzerai. [11:34] <Puru_Seventeen> We determined that I was more geared towards boss battles and offense, while he was geared more for survival and general controlling. [11:37] <Puru_Seventeen> Where Elven Accuracy has made me land more hits that I'd like to think about, the githzerai racial power + the Shield utility have let him deny hits more times than he'd like to think about. [11:37] <Adelle> What's the difference between "offense" and "general controlling"? [11:38] <Puru_Seventeen> He deals more with crowds, I deal more with solos. And where I just attack, he cares about his defense. [11:38] <Puru_Seventeen> Another important factor is the party makeup. [11:39] <Puru_Seventeen> He just needs to take care of minions, mainly, since their strikers make short work of almost anything with little assistance. [11:40] * Kaiterra has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:40] * Kaiterra has joined #miko [11:42] * Nacht has joined #miko [11:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Nacht [11:42] <Nacht> >:| [11:45] <Puru_Seventeen> :< [11:47] <Nacht> >:| [11:47] <Puru_Seventeen> :< [11:47] <Nacht> >:| [11:48] <Puru_Seventeen> :< [11:48] <Nacht> Spec. Anything interesting happen while I was gone? [11:48] <Nacht> Also: Traffic Jams suck. [11:48] <Puru_Seventeen> Not really... Gao banned Ed [11:48] <Nacht> I nearly ran into another car when I accidentally hit thie gas instead of the brake >_> [11:48] <Nacht> Permanently? [11:48] <Nacht> Why? [11:49] <Puru_Seventeen> Ed addressed us as "you people" while comparing 4e players with WoW players. [11:49] <Nacht> I SHALL HAVE TO BRUSH UP ON CONTEXT BEFORE I DENOUNCE HIS UTTER FAGGOTRY WITH MORE CAPSLOCK [11:49] <Adelle> And poor Murmur's WoW servers are down :<